Do expect Roeder's groupies to continue trying:
"I am very disappointed in eBay," Dinwiddie said. "I thought that was the last bastion of free enterprise in America with no political viewpoint, but I see I was mistaken about that."
Monday, November 2, 2009
eBay removes last items in aberrant auction
Last night, the "prolife Bible" and "Catechism" were the first items posted in the Auction for Cowardly Assassinating Providers. Within the last half hour, they were removed. eBay had said they "would look into them". Seems they saw them as what they were: justification and glorification of violence.
Do expect Roeder's groupies to continue trying:
Do expect Roeder's groupies to continue trying:
Scott Roeder Auction Items - Take a Look For Yourself
Talking Points Memo got pictures of some of the items being auctioned on behalf of Scott Roeder before they got pulled.
Word is there are still a couple of items that won't be pulled due to their "religious nature." Not sure on that but we'll keep looking and reporting them when we find them.
Word is there are still a couple of items that won't be pulled due to their "religious nature." Not sure on that but we'll keep looking and reporting them when we find them.
eBay Auction for Scott Roeder Begins . . . Then Gets Pulled
Those wacky anti-choice folks must have thought eBay was just joking when it said that an auction to raise money for Scott Roeder would not be allowed. They have started posting items to try and raise money for Roeder. Luckily eBay appears to be on it and has started pulling the items. The Associated Press reports that "some of the more obscure items were still posted Monday morning." If you're on eBay and see some of this trash, make sure you use the report link to report an inappropriate listing so eBay can get it pulled.
Great Analysis of the Roeder - eBay - Auction - Publicity Stunt
Mike Hendricks of the Kansas City Star has a great analysis of the publicity stunt that was the eBay auction for Roeder. We've reprinted it below. Until it disappears into the internet archives, you can read it here.
Mike Hendricks: Roeder not another John Brown, David
Little David slew the mighty Goliath and held aloft the Philistine's severed head.
Rembrandt and Caravaggio painted the bloody scene from 1 Samuel. Now comes Scott Roeder, the man charged with killing George Tiller. Roeder recently submitted for auction an autographed copy of a cartoon depicting his own version of the story.
"Tiller" is written across the forehead of the slain warrior. And for the role of David?
It's not spelled out, and as there is that presumption of innocence in our legal system, I'll leave it for you to decide what Roeder had in mind.
But biblical comparisons aside, Roeder's supporters have yet another notion of who Roeder represents to them, despite his not-guilty plea in the murder of the Wichita abortion provider.
He's a modern-day John Brown, reflecting the fact many in the anti-abortion movement compare themselves to the 19th-century abolitionists.
"We liken him to that," said David Leach, when I reached the Des Moines abortion opponent by phone last week.
Leach, along with Regina Dinwiddie of Kansas City, had tried to organize an online fundraiser on Roeder's behalf. Last week eBay put the kibosh on it (though Dinwiddie has said the auction will go on).
My interest, however, was in the comparisons, which are all over the Internet, between Brown, the anti-slavery crusader, and Roeder, the abortion foe. True, both were zealous believers in a cause.
"But it isn't just that they believed in it," Leach said. "There were actual human beings who were suffering that both intervened to rescue."
Roeder has admitted nothing. But he donated three cartoons to the auction, the stated purpose of which was to raise money to pay an attorney who would argue that Tiller wasn't murdered but instead was the victim of justifiable homicide.
"In my writings, I've been calling it the necessity defense," Leach said.
Chances of a judge allowing that defense in a Kansas courtroom are about as remote as Leach and his compatriots being able to raise the big bucks it would take to hire a lawyer willing to employ the risky strategy.
Even Leach acknowledges that Kansas law allows lethal force only "when the harm you're preventing is unlawful." And despite claims to the contrary by abortion opponents, Tiller's conduct in performing late-term abortions was lawful, as far as the legal system was concerned.
In short, the eBay auction was a publicity stunt aimed at confusing the issue. After all, what Roeder stands accused of is an act of cowardice, not nobility.
One Sunday morning in May, an armed assailant shot an unarmed Tiller to death at point-blank range in a church.
Dressing it up otherwise doesn't change that fact, or that the person who did it is a common murderer and no more.
Saturday, October 31, 2009
Foul Play Ruled Out In Death of Retired U.S. Marshal
The Wichita Eagle reports that an autopsy has been performed on Retired U.S. marshal Richard Schroeder and foul play has been ruled out. Mr. Schroeder died of natural causes.
Friday, October 30, 2009
Dinwiddie tells eBay they're discriminating against her religion
"Dinwiddie’s lawyer sent a letter to eBay on Thursday saying that 'my client feels that your proposed course of action smacks of religious discrimination.'"
The Auction for Cowardly Assassinating Providers will go on, even on eBay, says Regina Dinwiddie. Why? Because she's not a country bumpkin who'll roll over when threatened. It doesn't seem eBay threatened anyone. Dinwiddie and the others involved in ACAP threaten and murder.
If your religion is to kill, the Constitution does not allow your free exercise thereof. We can't even marry two people; what makes you think you can kill?
Former U.S. Marshall Who Protected Dr. Tiller Found Dead
The Wichita Eagle is reporting that Richard Schroeder was found lying his his driveway last night with head injuries. His death is currently being investigated and law enforcement has described it as "very suspicious."
"During his career as a U.S. marshal, Schroeder provided court-ordered protection for abortion provider George Tiller during 1991's "Summer of Mercy" anti-abortion protests.
For a significant part of Schroeder's career — first as a marshal and later as a private detective — he helped provide security for Tiller, a nationally known late-term abortion provider and perennial focus of anti-abortion protests and threats. Tiller was fatally shot at his Wichita church this summer.
Schroeder, who lived in Newton, also has operated a private investigation business in the Wichita area."
Thursday, October 29, 2009
Roeder Defense Team Files First Motion - Abortion Views and the Jury
Motions have begun to trickle into the courthouse for the trial of domestic terrorist Scott Roeder. The Wichita Eagle reports that the defense has filed a motions seeking to prohibit the state from removing a juror based on their anti-abortion views. (link no longer working)
From a defense side this is an excellent motion and one that we didn't expect - this soon. We don't think it will fly however. Anyone who is extremely pro-choice or anti-abortion to the extent that they can't give both sides a fair trial must be law be excluded. There is no way the judge can issue a black and white ruling like this. It's going to have to be decided on a case by case basis.
With the filing of this motion we expect to see more motions in the near future.
From a defense side this is an excellent motion and one that we didn't expect - this soon. We don't think it will fly however. Anyone who is extremely pro-choice or anti-abortion to the extent that they can't give both sides a fair trial must be law be excluded. There is no way the judge can issue a black and white ruling like this. It's going to have to be decided on a case by case basis.
With the filing of this motion we expect to see more motions in the near future.
Wednesday, October 28, 2009
eBay stands by their rules while Roeder's friends stand by their assassin
From Judy Thomas at the Kansas City Star a few choice quotes about eBay not hosting the Auction for Cowardly Assassinating Providers (ACAP).
Letter to eBay from Lee Thompson, attorney for the Tiller family, approved by Jeannie Tiller, Dr. George Tiller's wife of nearly 35 years.
Chilling effect? I think not. First of all, the Constitution restricts what various American governmental bodies can do. eBay is not a government body (even though the creator of eBay was haphazardly recommended by John McCain as Treasury Secretary during a presidential debate last year). They can restrict speech all they want. Second, raising money for an attorney is fine; however, the manner in which one does that might not be either legal or all that Constitutional (let alone tasteful).
The truth about what went on behind Dr. Tiller's doors is quite complex. Dr. Tiller provided abortions for women, most of which happened in the first trimester of pregnancy (around quickening, the fairly traditional line at which abortion was no longer legal). Of the second and third trimester abortions he provided, he did not terminate all pregnancies. He provided legal abortions (ones that would be illegal were turned away), and he wouldn't terminate pregnancies for uncertain women (at his funeral, I met a woman who, 15 years ago, went for an abortion and he almost didn't do it because he felt she wasn't certain she really wanted one). For women whose pregnancies he did not terminate, he offered adoption services, including finding her a place to stay in Wichita until she was ready to place her child for adoption. He provided late abortions for teenage girls (whose abortions tend to be later in pregnancy for various reasons) and women in need of abortions for their health and well-being within the law. If women could not afford her abortion, he would help them out, including helping pay for travel and reducing the cost of his medical services. He did not terminate pregnancies willy-nilly because someone wanted to fit into a prom dress or he wanted the cash. He did not take pride in murdering babies; he took pride in helping women. Law & Order might try to accuse him of killing already born babies, but that just didn't happen. No matter what Spitz, Leach, Dinwiddie, Newman, or Roeder claim. And that's the reality of what happened behind Dr. Tiller's doors.
We'll continue to follow this story since they will continue to try to raise these funds. But no matter what they do, the money will go to the State of Kansas, not to whatever lawyer they choose.
"These materials contain hate messages, glorify violence against abortion doctors who provide constitutionally protected medical services, and instruct on means of violence, including bombing, of abortion clinics."
Letter to eBay from Lee Thompson, attorney for the Tiller family, approved by Jeannie Tiller, Dr. George Tiller's wife of nearly 35 years.
"They're not only chilling the First Amendment of the Constitution, they're raping the whole Constitution," said Regina Dinwiddie, a Kansas City abortion opponent and friend of Roeder.
She said the move wouldn't stop those who are trying to help Roeder.
"We have other plans that I’m not at the discretion to say right now," she said. "This is money for Scott Roeder so he can have a true defense. They're trying to shoot down the truth of what went on behind Tiller's closed doors and fenced gates, but it's not going to work."
Chilling effect? I think not. First of all, the Constitution restricts what various American governmental bodies can do. eBay is not a government body (even though the creator of eBay was haphazardly recommended by John McCain as Treasury Secretary during a presidential debate last year). They can restrict speech all they want. Second, raising money for an attorney is fine; however, the manner in which one does that might not be either legal or all that Constitutional (let alone tasteful).
The truth about what went on behind Dr. Tiller's doors is quite complex. Dr. Tiller provided abortions for women, most of which happened in the first trimester of pregnancy (around quickening, the fairly traditional line at which abortion was no longer legal). Of the second and third trimester abortions he provided, he did not terminate all pregnancies. He provided legal abortions (ones that would be illegal were turned away), and he wouldn't terminate pregnancies for uncertain women (at his funeral, I met a woman who, 15 years ago, went for an abortion and he almost didn't do it because he felt she wasn't certain she really wanted one). For women whose pregnancies he did not terminate, he offered adoption services, including finding her a place to stay in Wichita until she was ready to place her child for adoption. He provided late abortions for teenage girls (whose abortions tend to be later in pregnancy for various reasons) and women in need of abortions for their health and well-being within the law. If women could not afford her abortion, he would help them out, including helping pay for travel and reducing the cost of his medical services. He did not terminate pregnancies willy-nilly because someone wanted to fit into a prom dress or he wanted the cash. He did not take pride in murdering babies; he took pride in helping women. Law & Order might try to accuse him of killing already born babies, but that just didn't happen. No matter what Spitz, Leach, Dinwiddie, Newman, or Roeder claim. And that's the reality of what happened behind Dr. Tiller's doors.
We'll continue to follow this story since they will continue to try to raise these funds. But no matter what they do, the money will go to the State of Kansas, not to whatever lawyer they choose.
Tuesday, October 27, 2009
eBay pulls the plug on auction planned for Roeder legal defense
Thanks to everyone who contact eBay over the last two days! They have announced that they will not allow the auction to take place.
Based on the details we know about the anticipated listings, we believe these would violate our policy regarding offensive material. eBay will not permit the items in question to be posted to the eBay site, and they will be removed if they are posted.
No word yet from Roeder's fellow terrorists if they will try to host the auction someplace else or just blow up eBay for not doing what they want
Sunday, October 25, 2009
Tell eBay No Auction For Scott Roeder (Updated)
As we reported the Kansas City Star has gotten word that several domestic terrorists plan an eBay auction to raise funds for Scott Roeder. Don't Let This Happen!
Please contact eBay and ask them to step up now and announce that they will not let an auction that glorifies murder taken place.
You can send a message through the eBay website. You can also write to: eBay Corporate Headquarters, 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, California 95125.
We've also found two phone numbers to call: 1-800-322-9266 and 1-888-749-3229. eBay's company hours are 7:30 AM to 5:30 PM, Pacific time, Monday through Friday.
Update: You can E-mail Ebay at ebayinc@ebay.com and press@ebay.com
Auction Planned to Raise Money for Scott Roeder's Defense
The Kansas City Star reports that anti-choice forces are planning an online auction to raise funds to hire a new defense team for Scott Roeder.
The number of terrorists making donations is scary to say the least. Dave Leach, Shelly Shannon, even Scott Roeder himself. Dinwiddie (photo right) is a friend of both Scott Roeder and Paul Hill, another convicted domestic terrorist.
According to the Kansas City Star, eBay would not say if they would allow the auction or not.
Leach and others would like to help Roeder hire a lawyer to present what is known as a necessity defense. That strategy would argue that Tiller was killed to prevent a greater harm — killing babies. Other anti-abortion activists charged with violent crimes have tried to use such a defense but with little success.
The number of terrorists making donations is scary to say the least. Dave Leach, Shelly Shannon, even Scott Roeder himself. Dinwiddie (photo right) is a friend of both Scott Roeder and Paul Hill, another convicted domestic terrorist.
“This is unique,” said Regina Dinwiddie, a Kansas City anti-abortion activist . . . . “Nobody’s ever done this before. The goal is that everybody makes money for Scott Roeder’s defense.”
Roeder said in a phone interview that he was excited about the auction.
“I think it’s great,” he said. “I appreciate all of the efforts going into that. I’m all for anything that might bring some donations in.”
But he declined to comment about whether he would use such a defense.
According to the Kansas City Star, eBay would not say if they would allow the auction or not.
Wednesday, October 21, 2009
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